2.29.2012

Re: Duels and Flame Wars


In response to the latest flame war to erupt:

I'm not linking to the posts or sites, which contain enough vomit in the form of comments to completely and irrevocably drive away any thinking man from this "community" forever.

People, we are a largely ignored, esoteric community floating about in cyberspace.   That's it.  Some of our sites are watched by the enemy, but we are not a threat.  They know it.

The enemies of liberty have not even begun to seriously try to disrupt our “community”.

No need.  We’re doing it for free.

I must admit to not having followed most of the CPX Foxtrot comments at WRSA, nor have I been to Sipsey much to see the festivities.

One visit to each site some days ago, and one today, was enough.

I refuse to be drawn into this.

I do not agree with Mike 100% in everything he says, nor do I agree with Kerodin 100% in everything he says.

The originator of this latest round of poo flinging is very clear, though.   We can argue about it, but the time stamps do not lie.  I won't include links.

Scratch that.  I won't argue about it.

I am on speaking terms with both men.  I have respect for both, and see glaring inconsistencies with some of both men’s ideas, as I am sure they do with mine.

I am aware well of the issues involved in this debate, going all the way back to its beginning.  On and on.  There’s even been talk at Sipsey of a “duel” (not, as far as I can see, mentioned by Mike or Kerodin), complete with stand-ins and sniping (ironically, that's the murder of an American citizen, btw) from "800 yards".  There have been accusations of both working as a provocateur, and comparisons to of Kerodin to Stalin.  The comments have been far more ridiculous than the original arguments.

It's all provocateur-ish, and Stalin-esque, if you ask me.  Stalin was an expert at dividing his underlings and opposition through many of the same mechanisms in play in this stupid internet flame war. 

Come on.  Really.

Here is my last and final response on this divisiveness that has erupted occasionally every few months to disrupt the community.

This nation is headed for Marxism, people.  Our nation, our culture, our liberty, our children are in danger.

Do you give a damn?

Do you understand what Marxism is, and the evil it has in store for us?  Do you understand how stupid and pale internet flame wars are in comparison?

Do you have nothing better to do?  PT done?  Kids taught and hugged?  Mind sharpened?  Body hard?  Marksmanship up to par?  Spiritual considerations squared away? 

Our nation is being driven towards another interventionist war on the one hand, and collapse and internal strife on the other.

Do you have any idea of the misery and pain that is coming?

Occupy and other Marxists are on the streets and moving.  Right Now.  

Right Now.

I don’t have time for this.

Until some sort of two-way gentleman’s agreement on this subject is reached in the community as a whole, I am shuttering this blog. 

Of course, I realize some of you may want exactly that.  I know some of you want that. 

You all do what you want.  I am not trying to impose my will on anyone, I am not taking sides; I am simply withdrawing my consent.  Am I in the wrong?  Don't know.  Don't care.

I will not stop working the projects I have begun, and I am not "laying down my arms".   I just don't see the point of trying to build an internet-based community that resembles AR-15.com.  I can go to AR-15.com for that. 

Email and the contact forms will remain open.

I will not be part of this.  Someone email me when this is over.  

Or not.  

Whatever.

That is all.

19 comments:

  1. I understand, but no reason, that I can see, not to just ignore the instigator and keep posting. At any rate, I used this today and thought of you.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1Tvg0qxzbtU/T04FhylGHEI/AAAAAAABY4c/ui7m9dPSgUk/s320/PDF%2B29%2B%252827%2529.jpg

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  2. I'll send some words if this stops. Best wishes to you and yours.

    Grog
    III

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  3. I am tired also of the bickering amongst the community. And of the stupidity of the public in general. Tired of the lies of the political class. Of the apathy of the electorate. Tired as a post said not to long ago a banging my head against the wall with no effect. On anything or anyone.

    The blog has become just a way to let off steam. It was in a hopeful beginning a rallying cry. Now it is just an echo in a dark hall locked from the outside, that no one cares to enter anymore. They are to busy at quarrel or play.

    Someone may chose to open that door in the future, when their children are hungry and the country as we know it is gone. Maybe they will find this hall will be filled with treasure, or maybe it will be the place for the final stand. Ether way, I will be long gone.

    "They have taken the bridge. And the second hall. We have barred the gates, but can not hold them for long. The ground shakes. Drums. Drums in the deep. We can not get out... Shadow moves in the dark. We can not get out... They are coming!"

    I still hope, but are not hopeful.

    Live free or die hard. Make the bastards pay. For Death is not the worst of evils.

    Semper Fi AP.

    Toaster802

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  4. AP,

    I hear ya, as of today I am boycotting any Patriot Blog that promotes divisiveness.

    I will continue to monitor and participate in Operation EFAD and CPF Foxtrot. I will continue to attend and promote PATCOMs.

    I will continue to help my tribe to train and prep. We are better off than 99% of the population.

    The internal strife is petty, demeaning and embarrassing. But strife or not what you say holds true. The opposition will not wait for us to get our collective shit together.

    I don't plan on wasting any time, effort or resources. God bless and stay safe Brother.

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  5. I totally agree, this is the worst kind of juvenile bullshit. I know the comments don't represent the majority of the movement, but nevertheless it is discouraging. Freedom and defense of that freedom is a critical priority, not some bullshit pissing match. Human beings are imperfect, (Everyone posting 5 year old bullshit comments need a serious reality check - bitch-slap). We all hope it won't come to that which we are planning and training for, but it is an increasing possibility. Ultimately, that, and our family is all that matters, all else is a distraction.

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  6. Guys ...

    Relax.

    This is the internet. This always happens.

    Seriously. Every single online community / discussion group / forum / multiplayer game / whatever that I have ever participated in has had these things blow up on a periodic basis. Eve Online players have even made these sorts of failure cascades an intentional part of the political metagame.

    Just nod to yourself, cut out what isn't working from your own routine, and carry on.

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  7. AP -

    Understood! We have lost the ability to have a civil debate.

    Oh, wait I don't think it has ever been civil. Read the minutes from the Constituansl conventions we're pretty tame by comparison.

    The left will fight it out after was choose to fight out our difference beforehand. Maybe it's our fatal flaw?

    You could still post what you want to say. Nothing says you have to enable comments.

    ;-)
    Josh

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  8. Wow..."The left will fight it out after was choose to fight out our difference beforehand. Maybe it's our fatal flaw?" = The left will fight it out after. We choose to air out our difference out beforehand. Maybe it's our fatal flaw?

    My brain what the hell.
    :-(

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  9. AP, I am in total agreement with you. This crap has to stop. All of us have things we are not proud of. We all have fallen down and SOMEONE helped pick us up. WE in this community are letting the enemy get the upper hand. Their goal is victory while our side is pissing on each other. GET OVER IT people.

    Thank you for injected some intelligent, reason thought into this discussion.

    BTW, the offer for a cookout if you come to Tennesee still stands.

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  10. The purpose of the man is not to serve liberty, but rather the purpose of liberty is to serve the man.

    Forgive the language, but get rid of the f**kin' collectivism already. That's not to AP, but to anyone for whom the shoe pinches.

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  11. I hope the poo-flinging over yonder ends soon, then. I will miss your insights.

    I've been watching the Kindle rankings for EFAD. It's already working, and we're not 12 hours in.

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  12. I'm right there with you, AP, I will not be a part of this. The sniping and division in the ranks is enough to make me sick, and I will not contribute or take sides. I've never seen Kerodin, I have personally seen Mike and heard him speak. With that said, thank you for stating what you did. You got a lot more respect from me, then either of these two men get right now. They should have kept all this private, and not out there for the world to see, IMHO.

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  13. AP,

    I wish you would re-consider on the not posting thing. We need to keep the ideas alive. Ignore the juvenile crap and keep on.

    A. Nonny Mouse

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  14. "Project Toehold" is always there for you. You have your choice of awesome nicks. ;)

    I believe you will find an amazing amount of civility on the Darknet, for everyone being anonymous.

    That's an open invitation to anyone tired of this drama - come see what we're about. I also provide training and code for running your own place should you not like what's on offer and wish to do better.

    Our Darknet blog.

    Carpe grumble!

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  15. AP thinks rationally and simply does not have the big ego that so many patriotic/constitutionalist chestbeaters do. They are getting the rest of us killed.(Present tense)
    So withdraw for now.
    It sounds stupid, but as our boys used to say when someone was getting too big for their britches, "There is no "I" in team".

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  16. It is sad.

    WE STILL EAT OUR OWN.

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  17. Mr. Patriot,
    Please don't take your ball and go home. Some of us need your encouragement to go on.

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  18. AP,

    I would hate to see you close down your blog. You are one of the few rational voices in our community.

    Remember that we all must deal with fallen human nature and drive on.

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  19. Pilgrim's PrideMarch 2, 2012 9:33 PM

    This too shall pass.

    Form - Storm - Norm - Perform.

    Everyone needs a break now and again, thankless jobs like this more so.

    Just never mistake the Internet for reality people -- AP, I know you don't.

    Peace, brother. (Can I say that? Is it allowed on "our side"?)

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Please, by all means, speak your mind. Try to keep the profanity and vulgarity down to the necessary minimum.

Discussion, debate, dissent- these are good things.

I also welcome comments from Anti-Liberty Extremists as well.